Guide to the Appearances and Hidden Effects of Artifact Weapons

Guide to the Appearances and Hidden Effects of Artifact Weapons

Aloha! Today we show you the Guide to the Appearances and Hidden Effects of the Artifact Weapons in Legion to know how and where to get them.

Guide to the Appearances and Hidden Effects of Artifact Weapons

Below we list all the hidden appearances of the artifact weapons by specialization. For now, some appearances have no hidden effect, earning method, or even both discovered until the official release of Legion. Patience, we will update it as soon as our ravens inform us of the new ones 🙂

Hidden effects are not unlocked, they come "standard" on each artifact weapon.

Guide updates

13/1: Updated Death Knight Frost.
9/1: Updated the macro to know your progression.
21/11: Updated Devastation Demon Hunter, Unholy Death Knight, Affliction Warlock, and Protection Warrior.
21/11: Updated Shaman.
30/10: Added Warrior Weapons.
19/10: Added Hidden Appearance Colors section and a script to see the progression.
9/10: Added Balance Druid, Feral Druid, Restoration Druid, Fire Mage, Master Cervercero Monk, Holy Paladin, Repression Paladin, Subtlety Rogue, Assassination Rogue, Affliction Warlock, Demonology Warlock, and Protection Warrior.
4/10: Added Unholy Death Knight.
3/10: Added Arcane Mage.
27/9: Added new method for Devastation Demon Hunter and Outlaw Rogue.

Colors of the hidden appearances

The methods of obtaining the colors are the same for all classes

1st color: Unlocked by achieving the hidden appearance.
2nd color: 100 dungeons with the hidden appearance.
3rd color: 200 World Missions with the hidden appearance.
4th color: 1000 deaths in PvP with the hidden appearance.

Script to know your progression

/run local q,x,_,a,b = GetAchievementCriteriaInfo,0 for i=1,11 do _,_,_,a,b = q(11152,i) x=x+a end local _,_,_,c,d = q(11153,1) local _,_,_,e,f = q(11154,1) print("Mazmorras: "..x.."/"..b) print("Misiones: "..c.."/"..d) print("PvP: "..e.."/"..f)

When using this script, the total number of dungeons, world missions and PvP deaths that you have with your hidden appearance will appear in your chat as I show you in this image.

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Death Knight

Blood

539948

Requirements: Complete the main chain of Suramar army and 400 mana.

It is achieved with soul, reward from the last chest in the quest training.

Hidden effect maw: The Maw of the Damned has feasted on the soul of a non-elite humanoid or demonic creature, increasing damage by 1%.

Frost

539900

It is achieved with soul, drop of souls or in Icecrown Citadel 25 (normal and heroic).

Hidden effect maw: Your damaging attacks have a chance to summon the spirit of an ancient Lich King, dealing 15. damage and grants a toning effect.

Profane

554358

Requirements: hidden tracking and artifact knowledge 6.

  • Use apocalypse your artifact weapon has a chance to summon a army special that will give you putricide.
  • Following the instructions in the manual go to the Icecrown Citadel and open the special hatch that will take you to stitch.

It is achieved with soul.

Hidden effect maw: A fatal blow with the Apocalypse Runeblade.

Demon Hunter

Devastation

533825


Requirements: Artifact knowledge 5.

  • You need the Candrael Talisman, random drop in Suramar World Quests.
  • Hand it over to candrael.
  • With a kick it will launch you through the air towards sinking.
  • The combat will be totally aerial. If you fall to the ground the combat is canceled and you will return to the beginning, you will have to hit well sinking to use your blasts of air, glide with your wings and not fall.

It is achieved with soul, drop of sinking.

Hidden effect: Unknown for now.

Revenge

533845-aldrachi-vengeance-demon-hunter

  • In the class headquarters uses portal.
  • Annihilate demons until it falls.

It is achieved with soul, drop the demons within portal.

Hidden effect: Unknown for now.

Druid

Equilibrio

539843

Requirements: Artifact Knowledge 6 and Exalted with the Dreamweavers.

It is achieved with soul, Combining sap with drop.

Hidden effect spirit: This creature is affected by ancient and powerful magic. Only a powerful druid wielding the Scythe of Elune can dispel its effect.

Feral

539878


Requirements: Artifact knowledge 4.

  • On the Emerald Dream Path, you will see a chat prompt in the form of a wild screech coming from one of the portals (Hinterlands, Duskwood, or Feralas).
  • Go through that portal, find the moonstone and touch it.
  • Possible coordinates of the moonstone in the portals (1 per portal):
    • Sunset Forest:
      • / way 45 45
      • / way 43 38
      • / way 42 38
      • / way 45 36
      • / way 48 44
      • / way 44 35
      • / way 48.93 38.75
      • / way 48 31
      • / way 47 35
      • / way 50.85 45.06
      • / way 50.71 44.90
      • / way 48.63 31.74
      • / way 46 36.56
    • Feralas:
      • / way 49.5 4.4
      • / way 48 6
      • / way 54 6
      • / way 51 11
      • / way 52 6
      • / way 50 15
      • / way 52 15
      • / way 52 10
      • / way 51 8
      • / way 53 14
      • / way 51 10
      • / way 53.81 14.93
      • / way 54.34 10.30
      • / way 54 15
      • / way 48 10
      • / way 50 11
      • / way 51 15
      • / way 51.51 5.38
      • / way 54.04 7.85
    • Hinterlands:
      • / way 64 24
      • / way 68 36
      • / way 60 33
      • / way 60 29
      • / way 58 32
      • / way 60 28
      • / way 68 24
      • / way 67 31
      • / way 66 37.4
      • / way 57 34
      • / way 59.6 25.5
      • / way 58.11 18.05
      • / way 66 38
      • / way 66 20
      • / way 68.9 32.4
      • / way 66.9 20.5
      • / way 58.3 29.1
      • / way 63 31
      • / way 64 32
  • Repeat this process several times until Ela'lothen, the Owl God, appear.
  • Stand in front of him, target him, change to feline form and sit (/ sit).

It is achieved with soul, delivered by the Owl Cat God.

Hidden effect spirit: Ashmane's Fangs have been fed on beast blood, granting a 3% increased movement speed.

Guardian

539820

It is achieved with soul, drop of ursoc en nightmare.

Hidden effect spirit: Your melee abilities cause Bloody Claws, dealing 0. damage over 15 sec. Bloody Claws reduces damage dealt by 3% and stacks up to 5 times.

Restaurants

554327

  • In the class headquarters uses portal.
  • Plant the Evergreen seed.

It is achieved with soul, fruit of the evergreen seed.

Hidden effect spirit: Casting an assist spell has a chance to cause flowers to sprout at the target location, healing nearby targets every 2 sec. What's more, ramanzano will throw you apple if you walk past him.

Hunter

Beasts

532395

It is achieved with soul, sold by hobart for 8000 gold.

Hidden effect: Unknown for now.

Aim

532466

Requirements: Revered with the Court of Farondis.

It is achieved with soul, sold by hobart for 1700 gold.

Hidden effect fast: Thas'dorah creates a swift breeze aura around its owner, gradually increasing the movement speed of party members within 8 yards.

Survival

532490

It is achieved with soul, drop of ursoc en nightmare.

Hidden effect fast: When your health drops below 40%, a huge eagle will come to your aid for 10 seconds. This can only happen once every 3 min.

Wizard

Arcane

532260-aluneth-arcane-mage-artifact

Requirements: Artifact knowledge 6.

  • It polymorphs the following creatures:
  • Completing the last creature will unlock sheep In the wizard headquarters, it consists of clicking several times on the volatile sheep in the Forest of Runes (Stormheim) until it explodes (as we did with the Warcraft 3 critters).
  • Go to the Tower of Azora in Elwynn Forest and complete the quest.

It is achieved with soul.

Hidden effect fast: Aluneth has just absorbed power from a nearby source of magical energy. Arcane damage increased by 2% within Broken Isles. Sometimes the cane communicates with its bearer.

Fuego

532284-felomelorn-fire-mage-artifact

Requirements: Artifact knowledge 5.

It is achieved with soul, random drop on Azsuna.

Hidden effect: Talking to the elven smiths in Dalaran can unlock a unique dialogue that grants artifact power. Also, from time to time, the corpses of creatures you kill will be charred.

Frost

532326-ebonchill-fire-mage-artifact

  • In the class headquarters uses portal.
  • Every day 5 portals will be generated, there is a very small possibility that only one of them will lead you to Frostfire Ridge.

It is achieved with soul, at the Frostfire Ridge portal.

Hidden effect fast: Memories of Tirisfal's guardians have helped you understand the latent powers of the Glacial Ebony. Experience and reputation gains increased by 5% in the Broken Isles.

Monk

Cervercero Master

539721

  • In the class headquarters uses portal.
  • Each day a barrel will appear at coordinates 55 56.

It is achieved with soul inside the barrel.

Hidden effect: Unknown for now.

Mistweaver

554290

It is achieved with soul, drop of sonder, eme, Lethon y take en nightmare.

Hidden effect: Unknown for now.

Wind Traveler

539765

Requirements: Complete the main chain of Suramar army and 400 mana.

It is achieved with soul, reward from the last chest in the quest training.

Hidden effect maw: The gust of wind from your landing hits nearby enemies and knocks them back.

Paladin

Sagrado

539683

Requirements: Artifact knowledge 5.

It is achieved with soul, random drop on Azsuna.

Hidden effect maw: Light empowers you, increasing your damage to undead by 100%.

Protection

534286-truthguard-protection-paladin-artifact

534312-truthguard-protection-paladin-artifact

Requirements: Complete the main chain of Suramar army and 400 mana.

It is achieved with soul, reward from the last chest in the quest training.

Hidden effect maw: Reveals hidden demons by force.

Repression

533899-ashbringer-retribution-paladin

Requirements: Artifact knowledge 6.

  • Get the 2 fishing books from Nat Pagle:
  • Get the ali (alliance) / horde (horde) of nefarious in Blackwing's LairATTENTION: if you did not complete the mission of the head, DO NOT DELIVER IT, it will be consumed and you will have to wait 1 week to return, if you have already done it, keep it with you).
  • Deliver the fishing books to elda.
  • Go to The Massacre and deliver ali (alliance) / horde (horde) a principle
  • Talk to Alexia (alliance) / bardu (horde).
  • Lee inquisitor (/ way 42.36 18.73) in Western Plaguelands.
  • Defeat slug in Western Plaguelands (respawn time 25-30 h).
  • Use the phylactery and invokes timolin.
  • Fishing fragment in the Thondroril River in Western Plaguelands (fishing skill level does not affect).
  • Talk to maxwell.

It is achieved with soul, reward of walking.

Hidden effect maw: The Crematorium has a chance to instantly destroy any lesser demon or undead creature.

Priest

Discipline

533411

Before starting the search, talk to Inkforge archivist at the Class Headquarters.

Collect the 12 volumes:

  • Volume I - Violet Citadel in Dalaran (Broken Isles).
    Bookcase on the right behind Archivist Elysiana, on the left side to Khadgar.
  • Volume II - Class headquarters.
    Behind Juvess the Whisperer, on top of a table.
  • Volume III - New Vega del Amparo in Northrend.
    It is on a book shelf in the library on the left wing of the cloister, the entrance is at coordinates 72 73.
  • Volume IV - Class headquarters.
    On the left side shelf in Meridelle Flash of Light.
  • Volume V - Scholomance.
    Go into Instructor Álgido Corazón's room, kill the group on the right side, and pick up the tome on the 6th shelf from the right.
  • Volume VI - Class Venue.
    Talk to Inkforge Archivist, always choose the middle answer and he will give you the tome.
  • Volume VII - Scarlet Halls.
    On the bench between the chandelier table and the bookcase, on the left side of the Koegler Fireweaver room.
  • Volume VIII - Cave southwest of Halls of Valor in Stormheim.
    Inquisitor Ernstenbok's Drop.
  • Volume IX - Azsuna.
    Salmueragria Chief Drop.
  • Volume X - Black Rook Tower.
    After defeating the first boss, enter the map room. Along the left side the tome is on one of the tables.
  • Volume XI - Karazhan.
    After defeating the Curator jump down to the right. You will see a tapestry and 3 shelves. In the plinth of the shelf on the left is the tome.
  • Volume XII - Suramar.
    Artificiero Lothaire's drop.

It is achieved with soul, combining the 12 volumes.

Hidden effect maw: The Wrath of Light is heating up. Your next Wrath of Light will deal massive damage.

Sagrado

533444

Requirements:

It is achieved with soul, Combining drop with sap.

Hidden effect: Unknown for now.

Shade

533468-xalatath-shadow-priest-artifact

533492-xalatath-shadow-priest-artifact

It is achieved with soul, drop of sinking en nightmare.

Hidden effect: The dagger whispers to you.

Rogue

Murder

534428

Requirements: Artifact knowledge 4.

It is achieved with soul, drop of sinking, sliver, mana, creek y sega in The Sewers of Dalaran (Broken Isles).

Hidden effect: «Lend» the weapon to brulf will grant you artifact power.

Outlaw

539672

Requirements: Artifact knowledge 5.

  • Get left Dargrul on any difficulty setting of Neltharion's Lair.
  • Get left of Ceniz'golm on any difficulty setting in the Chamber of the Wardens.
  • When you get these two pieces you will automatically activate bindings.

It is achieved with soul.

Hidden effect blood: Hado and Fortuna have both fed on the blood of humanoid creatures, providing 2% increased movement speed.

Subtlety

539650

Requirements: Vault.

It is achieved with soul, collected in treasure.

Hidden effect: Unknown for now.

Shaman

Elemental

539627

539594

Requirements: Artifact knowledge 4.

It is achieved with soul, drop of sinking, sliver, mana, creek y sega in The Sewers of Dalaran (Broken Isles).

Hidden effect: Some water and air elementals in Stormheim are friendly as long as you have this weapon equipped.

Constant improvement

534404

534383

It is achieved with maza, drop from the World Bosses in the Broken Isles.

Hidden effect: Unknown for now.

Restaurants

554233

554257

It is achieved with maza, random drop on eye.

Hidden effect: When your character stops, aquatic figures appear from the mace.

Sorcerer

Affliction

539471

Requirements: grimoire, drop of ered.

  • Collect 13 skull for the mission first, only dropped by Rare Elites from World Missions.
  • With the 13 skulls go to the Pass of Death and use them in altar.

It is achieved with soul.

Hidden effect: Defeating enemies can cause their souls to return to earth and follow you for a while.

Demonology

554385

554409

Requirements: Artifact knowledge 4.

Collect all 6 Eredar heads from the Broken Isles: damaged, distorted, deformed, deficient y satisfactory.

It is achieved with soul, the last head.

Hidden effect: Depending on the zone, spell or target killed, the weapon whispers to you.

Destruction

539603

  • In the class headquarters uses portal.
  • Inside summons the demon in the ritual.

It is achieved with soul.

Hidden effect: Unknown for now.

Guerrero

Weapons

531994-stormkar-arms-warrior-artifact

It is achieved with soul, reward of axes.

Hidden effect look: Strom'kar reacts to the presence of his former enemies and generates an aura of fear.

Furia

531970-valarjar-fury-warrior-artifact

Requirements: grimoire de ered, skull de Sharthos y niece de niece.

It is achieved with soul combining grimoire, skull with niece.

Hidden effect look: Odyn grants you a second chance to defeat your rival. Do it in the next 8 seconds and Odyn will bring you back to life with 50% of your health.

Protection

532034-earth-warder-protection-warrior-artifact

532010-earth-warder-protection-warrior-artifact

Requirements: Artifact knowledge 5.

It is achieved with burning plate, is located in the treasure room on the upper level of the Halls of Neltharion.

Use this script to find out if the event is active (it returns "true" if it is active, "false" not yet)

/run print(IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(44311))

Hidden effect: Unknown for now.


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  1.   zck said

    That of the shaman healer, it's a joke right? Come on guys, put the real one on.

  2.   wololo said

    Do you have to be in the specialization of the weapon for them to loot, or with being of the class that touches fall?

    1.    Adrian Da Cuna said

      It is not necessary, yesterday I got one of the howls for the hidden appearance of feral being in chicken spec and with the loot in rest.

  3.   Rhäden said

    Hell, the effect of the weapons is crap, unless it works with the horde's race of trolls, which would only make it bad, because you have to be surrounded by them and just throw fear.

  4.   camilo said

    I am a druid and I have artifact level 6 ... I enter the path of the emerald dream and I do not see any whisper ... I have been like this for a couple of days ... do I have to do something additional? any requirement?

    1.    Adrian Da Cuna said

      The howls are random and take a long time to come out, they do not need any requirements.

  5.   Jesus Enrique Salazar said

    The arcanum is a lie, I already have the weapon at level 6 and nothing is unlocked

    1.    Adrian Da Cuna said

      Follow the instructions, having knowledge of artifact 6 is not enough 😉.

  6.   Maria said

    The thing about the hunter in beasts, that artifact is not obtained by buying it in Dalaran where the engineers, I think for 8k gold. Well in the beta you could buy.

    1.    Adrian Da Cuna said

      As it stands, it is now sold in Dalaran for 8k at the Engineering Store

  7.   Kuko said

    The profane DK Guide requirements are not right, no Reanimation necessary, I was learning the opposite of that when I got the look.

    1.    Adrian Da Cuna said

      You're right, I just noticed and I don't know how it slipped me. Edited Thanks for the tip!

  8.   eilerz said

    One step is missing in the appearance of Retribution Paladin, after delivering the books to Sister Elda, you must go to one of the wings of The Massacre to speak with Prince Tortheldrin and then send you to speak with the tauren or the dwarf depending on the faction.

    1.    Adrian Da Cuna said

      Corrected, I ate the part about going to talk to the prince in The Massacre Thanks for the tip! 🙂

  9.   Gerson said

    The survival hunter can be plotted in raid finder? or will it be normal or more difficult to raid?

    1.    Adrian Da Cuna said

      All Raid Boss hidden appearances can be looted on both Seeker and Higher.

  10.   mmago5 said

    Where can I write the script? In the chat I am cut by »print (k ..”: “..d ..» and tmb I have tried a macro but it doesn't work either.

    1.    Adrian Da Cuna said

      Fixed, now the macro appears correctly and does not give an error when pasting it in the game. Thanks for the warning! 🙂

  11.   kylon said

    The Script I don't know if it's wrong but it shows me that I have done 6 dungeons and I have done more than that .. I've been 60 or 80 I'm not sure I wanted to know if it was a visual bug or is there another way to show me exactly how many dungeons I have ?

    1.    Adrian Da Cuna said

      It's strange, I just checked the script myself and some friends in case there was some kind of typo and it works correctly for us. You may be right and it is some visual bug of yours. The other option is / run AddTrackedAchievement (11152) which tracks the achievement of the 200 dungeons, with that I already believe that some error is impossible.

      1.    kylon said

        Well, I still see that visual bug but I no longer need it, I already have less than 5 dungeons to unlock the recolor it comes out 9/100 .. Thanks for the script, it helped me a lot.

        1.    Adrian Da Cuna said

          Well, that bug is pretty bloody. I was going to recommend some addons to see it but they use the same scipts that happen, you would be in the same ones. But hey, if you already lack little better still 😉

  12.   tonaruto said

    a question about demonology that Face of the First Herald should touch you so that the others touch you or are the others first? and with the shaman with the 3 specialization, artifact knowledge is needed and I speak for all who do not say

    1.    Adrian Da Cuna said

      Good! On demonology the faces will always touch you in that order, 1 to 1. The "grace" of the hidden appearance is that each gray head is discarded by your artifact weapon for not liking the skin, the smile, the face, etc ... The 6th is the charm and that is the true hidden appearance.

      Regarding the shaman, there is only evidence that the elemental asks for knowledge of artifact 4, of rest and improvement, there is still no minimum known.

  13.   tonaruto said

    the appearance of the ursoc drop they know if it also gives it to you in the band finder

    1.    Adrian Da Cuna said

      All Raid Boss hidden appearances can be looted on both Seeker and Higher.

  14.   eshin said

    I have killed the mob for the DH Ravage skin, knowledge level 6, about 14 times, and it doesn't drop. Maybe they fixed it so that you have to take the item from Suramar yes or yes?

    A greeting!

    1.    Adrian Da Cuna said

      I just did some checking, it was not showing up in the patch notes. For 2 weeks with one of the live patches the "easy" version has been eliminated, now you necessarily need the item.

  15.   tonaruto said

    or from the feral the cry already appeared but I read something about one that when you grab it an emotion appears I do not know how I see it or how I use it someone tells me or explains to me

    1.    Adrian Da Cuna said

      When you see the howl you have to get into the portal from which it comes. You have the coordinates of the areas where the stone can come out, you just have to touch it and that's it. The stone is bluish with the feral symbol.

  16.   Nacho said

    Good thanks for the guide, the dungeons of the previous expansions count to unlock the other color of the weapon? because the script does not work for dungeon and I have no way of knowing. Thank you

    1.    Adrian Da Cuna said

      First of all thanks for reading us! The weapon color for dungeons only counts Legion dungeons from normal to mythic, ancient and mythic + do not count.

      About the script many people are having visualization problems lately, it is due to a visual bug from the client. With this script / run AddTrackedAchievement (11152) keeps track of the counter of dungeons made.

  17.   terry mcginnis said

    Excuse me, every story, can I check if the warrior protection appearance event is active? I've been waiting for 4 days and nothing comes out, I know 6 and I've read the story every time before going to check in the cave but nothing happens, I use the code and it always returns "false".

    1.    Adrian Da Cuna said

      Weeks can go by without the event going off, it's random. Every day it tests that script until it returns true, that's when the event is active. Be patient, it ends up coming out. I've been trying to get the Druid seed since the beginning of Legion and still nanay, but well I suppose that by forcing it will come out hahahaha 😛

  18.   tonaruto said

    the last head of demonology the one of the first herald is removed normal like the other heads? I just need that

    1.    Adrian Da Cuna said

      Yes, all heads are removed in the same way.

  19.   tonaruto said

    I already found that owl cat, I sat next to him but his appearance does not give me

    1.    Adrian Da Cuna said

      Get in front of him, target him, change to feline form and sit (/ sit).

      1.    tonaruto said

        no nothing gives me nothing even relogue

        1.    Adrian Da Cuna said

          Perfect! 😉

  20.   tonaruto said

    don't listen to me, I already did it thanks and the layman's requirement: Hidden Tracking - Appearance Unlock - Base - Color 4 - Death Knight, Unholy is this about you have to have engineering? or is it the skills

    1.    Adrian Da Cuna said

      No hidden appearance or color is accompanied by professions, this is for classes only. That hidden track is necessary to unlock the appearance, it consists of summoning a total of 2000 minions with the weapon. Note that they are henchmen, not times.

  21.   tonaruto said

    I saw the destruction on other pages that it was a group of 5 to invoke a demon to give you the hidden skin but here it will not be the normal 3 they explain it to me or they clarify it to me

    1.    Adrian Da Cuna said

      To summon the ritual demon at least 1 person must have access to the seat feature Ritual of Doom. At least 3 people are needed, the one who casts the ritual and 2 supporting it.

  22.   tonaruto said

    The shaman restoration I thought it was the place where the eye is below Aszuna, I thought it was taken from there

  23.   tonaruto said

    I got stuck in the shovel with the fishing thing, I didn't even get 50 fishing points, I went up to 700, could you give me advice

    1.    Adrian Da Cuna said

      The fastest way to go fishing on the steep island is to collect all the special baits you can, a lot of patience and catch rare fish. Each rare fish gains +5 Fishing. For my taste, the best map that I found to go fishing and pole points is Suramar, the open water area next to the city is very good: many banks, decent respawn and very close to each other.

      1.    tonaruto said

        I mean the object that is obtained by fishing I think it is something of the fragment that is to convert to a corrupt crematorium of that object I speak that I do not go fishing

        1.    Adrian Da Cuna said

          In that case there is only 1 solution: kill yourself to fish until it comes out. As it is not affected by the fishing skill, it costs a lot. Look how long it took people who were like you http://es.wowhead.com/item=139624/fragmento-de-oscuridad#comments. Try a couple of times a day so that it doesn't get so heavy, but there is no other solution?

  24.   tonaruto said

    the one of the priest disciplines the volume of karazhan which of the 2 the one of legion or that of the burning

    1.    Adrian Da Cuna said

      Old Karazhan.

  25.   reg said

    I have the doubt of knowing if the artifact weapon of dk blood falls specifically in the range of 400 in which or if it is by probability or score I already did all and it does not fall having the entire chain of missions, having killed guldan achievement of pillars now yes please don't help thanks

    1.    Adrian Da Cuna said

      The quest is the one that you have to deliver 400 mana in Suramar, if I remember correctly the only repeatable quest of Legion to this day. The hidden aspect is by probability, not by score. The only thing that the score gives you are more chests to open and with that, more likely that it will touch you but nothing more. And about Gul'dan's achievement is irrelevant, whatever you have it will come out sooner or later 😉